Win or Lose: The Eternal Question of the War of 1812? The measured question for the War of 1812 is . . . did we win? The usual response is that the US did not win the war. The measure for this success or failure is did the participant in the war achieve their stated goals. The normal answer is that the US didnt achieve its goals. I question this as an answer. WWI: Did the US get the War to End All Wars? Did we make the world Safe for Democracy? Sadly no. We got fascist and communist states . . . dont forget we got WWII. Hardly the War to End All Wars. So by the same standards we use for the War of 1812 . . . We lost WWI. Texas Revolution of 1836: We celebrate in legend and lore 185 soldiers holding off 5,000 for 13 days at the Alamo. Yet the Texans wanted more territory. An expedition to Matamoros failed (Its still part of Mexico. It lost more battles that it won (and pretty gruesome defeats at that.) Yet because we didnt get Canada, the War of 1812 was a failure. So by the same standards we use for the War of 1812 . . . Texas lost the Texas Revolution of 1836. American Revolution: We wanted Canada then to . . . and we were unable to take it (Although we won more battles in Canada that time around.) Its one of the causes for the War of 1812. We felt it was the missing piece of the revolution. Still our stated goal was to get Canada and we didnt get it. So by the same standards we use for the War of 1812 . . . America lost the American Revolution. If you look closely at the results of the War of 1812, this is what happened in relation to our goals: No more impressment of our sailors. We got this on June 16th 1812 (two days before the war started.) England never again went back to this practice . . . even in 1815, when Napoleon came back to power. Was it in the treaty? No. But then it didnt have to be. It was over before the war started. Did we get what we wanted? Unrestricted Western expanse without interference from England. England never again supplied eastern Native Americans with arms and encouraged them to attack American settlements. Ignoring the morality of the US- Native American conflict, the US is the clear winner here. The power of eastern Native Americans was broken forever. Did we get what we wanted? Additional North American territory from European powers (specifically Canada . . . if it was available via marching into it.) Turns out that Canada was not available. The Canadians didnt want to be part of the US. Did we gain territory? Absolutely . . . we took western Florida from the Spanish, an English ally. Did we get what we wanted (remember we only wanted Canada if the Canadians were willing)? Did the British get what they wanted? Teach the upstart Americans a lesson. Dont think that worked . . . Gain Territory. The English did want to regain some of the territory it lost in the American Revolution. Specifically parts of Maine. They also wanted us to give up all of Michigan and half of Ohio to Native Americans to act as a buffer state. What did it get? Not an inch. Restrict American expansion westward. Dont think that worked . . . The actual result was:
Seems like one of the most successful wars we ever had . . . the one that should be the model for how you treat your opponents after.
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